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Ep.236: John Salley: MCBA Spotlight

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Ep.236: John Salley: MCBA Spotlight

Ep.236: John Salley: MCBA Spotlight

NBA Iconoclast John Salley joins us to talk about talent and tenacity as well as some cannabis. With folks around us at ICBC, John talks about growing up in New York City but why he didn’t play ball at New York’s storied West 4th court. John discusses the 50 available jobs in the NBA and how he learned to not talk sugar honey iced tea during the game…and just do his job. John shares how a devastating loss turned into championships in the ensuing years. In regards to cannabis, John shares how he came to the plant, how he looks at the space, and that he’s looking to create a Coca Cola brand with a Pepsi mentality.

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Speaker 1: John salley, nba iConoclast. John sally joins us to talk about talent and tenacity as well as some cannabis with folks around us at industry event. Icbc. John talks about growing up in New York city, but why he didn't play at New York story west fourth port john discusses the 50 available jobs in the nba and how he learned not to talk sugar, honey iced tea during the game and just do his job. John shares how a devastating loss turned into championships in the ensuing years regarding cannabis. John shares how he came to the plant, how he looks at the space, and that is looking to create a coca cola brand with a pepsi mentality. Welcome to cannabis economy. I'm your host seth adler. Check us out on social with the handle can economy. That's two ends of the word economy. The spider john salad.

Speaker 2: So we got john. Sally. I'm looking at. Yeah, it's quieter. You sitting right here. I am here. Thank you for having me on set. And this is one of you. What part of New York? Well, I'm from long island, of course. Yeah, we're manhasset. Very close. So I'm from rosslyn rather than acid is my train station. right? Or it used to be least my mother and I used to clean house in manhasset, get out, believe it or not, and just how I had my. And then we will go out and see these houses and I told my mom, I said, one day I'm a house, have a house like this. Right? She said, who gonna clean it. I said, that's not my issue.

Speaker 2: It won't be you. Who's going to clean it? Yes. Yes man. Thanks for having me. Oh, got it. all right, so you're from, you know, mine in New York. There you go. So here's a kid, right? All of a sudden he starts getting real tall. I would imagine that happened nice and early. It did. I started getting tall in my teens. I grew four inches in six months. Right? And my mom thought we got to go get you checked out. Your heart is too big. You have to feed and grow and I can't afford to be eating everything. We got to lock my bedroom door, you're trying to kill us. And um, and that Just kept moving and that kept growing and I kept Saying, mom and order for me to get out of this project, I got to be seven foot tall. So he's the laugh that I said that.

Speaker 2: Right? And she goes, why do you think that I go because the odd. No seven foot is living here. Right? So I had need to outgrow this place and I did literally. I've literally. Alright. So when did you first find a basketball blends? With the past six years is fine here. So it was always six, you kNow, I'm a BlAck kid growing up, going into 16. So that means, you know, we had to find our way was out by sport at that time. Right. So my brothers played football. Ask nicole what a whole bunch of savages. You know, a bunch of men breathing hard. Not my thing. No women come, loved the gym. They were the best stuff to the gym to impress us while we're sweating, shapes, shorts. Sure. Made a quick decision. I said, this is this. Let's do this. When did you recognize or realize you had, so obviously you're in right away.

Speaker 2: Then I'm looking for height, but you actually have to be good. It's so funny. You call it talent. I call it. I call it as we would say in the hebrew language, and indeed as you said, a chutzpah. Sure. If you have, you would have to have that. Somebody was saying, this is what I want to do, this is who I am, because the most wasted thing on the planet is talent and potentially right talent, so I Just worked harder. Then the kidS around me when they would spend their time, wake up at 9:00, 10:00 in the morning and going on, my god, I can't believe I slept 10. I was running miles at six. Okay. I was doing pushups over glass because my brothers were like, if you fall, you're going to stab yourself. So you had to do it. You had to do it.

Speaker 1: John salley, nba iConoclast. John sally joins us to talk about talent and tenacity as well as some cannabis with folks around us at industry event. Icbc. John talks about growing up in New York city, but why he didn't play at New York story west fourth port john discusses the 50 available jobs in the nba and how he learned not to talk sugar, honey iced tea during the game and just do his job. John shares how a devastating loss turned into championships in the ensuing years regarding cannabis. John shares how he came to the plant, how he looks at the space, and that is looking to create a coca cola brand with a pepsi mentality. Welcome to cannabis economy. I'm your host seth adler. Check us out on social with the handle can economy. That's two ends of the word economy. The spider john salad.

Speaker 2: So we got john. Sally. I'm looking at. Yeah, it's quieter. You sitting right here. I am here. Thank you for having me on set. And this is one of you. What part of New York? Well, I'm from long island, of course. Yeah, we're manhasset. Very close. So I'm from rosslyn rather than acid is my train station. right? Or it used to be least my mother and I used to clean house in manhasset, get out, believe it or not, and just how I had my. And then we will go out and see these houses and I told my mom, I said, one day I'm a house, have a house like this. Right? She said, who gonna clean it. I said, that's not my issue.

Speaker 2: It won't be you. Who's going to clean it? Yes. Yes man. Thanks for having me. Oh, got it. all right, so you're from, you know, mine in New York. There you go. So here's a kid, right? All of a sudden he starts getting real tall. I would imagine that happened nice and early. It did. I started getting tall in my teens. I grew four inches in six months. Right? And my mom thought we got to go get you checked out. Your heart is too big. You have to feed and grow and I can't afford to be eating everything. We got to lock my bedroom door, you're trying to kill us. And um, and that Just kept moving and that kept growing and I kept Saying, mom and order for me to get out of this project, I got to be seven foot tall. So he's the laugh that I said that.

Speaker 2: Right? And she goes, why do you think that I go because the odd. No seven foot is living here. Right? So I had need to outgrow this place and I did literally. I've literally. Alright. So when did you first find a basketball blends? With the past six years is fine here. So it was always six, you kNow, I'm a BlAck kid growing up, going into 16. So that means, you know, we had to find our way was out by sport at that time. Right. So my brothers played football. Ask nicole what a whole bunch of savages. You know, a bunch of men breathing hard. Not my thing. No women come, loved the gym. They were the best stuff to the gym to impress us while we're sweating, shapes, shorts. Sure. Made a quick decision. I said, this is this. Let's do this. When did you recognize or realize you had, so obviously you're in right away.

Speaker 2: Then I'm looking for height, but you actually have to be good. It's so funny. You call it talent. I call it. I call it as we would say in the hebrew language, and indeed as you said, a chutzpah. Sure. If you have, you would have to have that. Somebody was saying, this is what I want to do, this is who I am, because the most wasted thing on the planet is talent and potentially right talent, so I Just worked harder. Then the kidS around me when they would spend their time, wake up at 9:00, 10:00 in the morning and going on, my god, I can't believe I slept 10. I was running miles at six. Okay. I was doing pushups over glass because my brothers were like, if you fall, you're going to stab yourself. So you had to do it. You had to do it.

Speaker 2: I was shooting the shots and go into practice and being yelled at being made to run suicide. So I literally put the hours in. Right? So I'd say I was, I've developed my talent by being persistent and focus. I love it. I love the tenacity. That's a great word. Key to life. Yes. All right. So, uh, when did westward meet you or when did you meet? I was running west fourth street park. Never was. Grace with my playing abilities is possible because I didn't want to lose the reputation. Okay. The second at rucker park west wall street bought. I did not want to walk into these two cops in hall at one is in holland. What is in greenwich village out and be destroyed and go. Well now I can just avoid that completely. I tell people I'm going to be a pro. You could be a street street. Legit rather be in the hall of fame. All right. So was it Georgia tech? Graduated from Georgia tech. When did you, when did they come to you? When did you come to that? Nineteen 81. Bobby crimmins from the bronx. [inaudible] came in.

Speaker 2: I'm in brooklyn, right? He comes in, irish guy with the accent and I say, he goes, yo, if you come we can start the a train subway from New York to atlanta, Georgia. Look at him. Kenny anderson, stephon marbury. They were together. That was the mentality, right? So I was like, oh god. Talking my language. Yeah, no, we'll bring all of us all less down there. We could just rule that out. And we did and we'd go to atlanta, Georgia. now it is southern manhattan. There you go. downtown is downtown. every black person I know from queens and brooklyn has moved to atlanta. All right. So he knew how to recruit. How did he know how to coach? What did you learn from him? Coach cremins at the time. Good guy. He taught he everything was hot with him. Okay. And it wasn't total technique, but it was.

Speaker 2: It was hot and desires and that was his, his piece and that's what I was raised and I spoke to you. You're doing pushups over glass. Glass your language yet. And my deal is just be better off. It's funny you say that. I was watching the superbowl. Is everyone else will and everybody has the what, what happened? But I bet in that position that the atlanta falcons were, we beat the lakers in 1988. Isaiah breaks his ankle. Isaiah's playing on one ankle, 40 points we lose. I watched them pop the champagne out of the locker room and then we lose game seven to the great magic exact. Sure. I realize what's happened happens when you're in front of these great people like grading and bella check and you see and feel the games to put away. It's a bad field, but what it does this shopping juice to make you learn, and I'm a vegan, but when you have to kill your opponent, you think got better to cut his head off.

Speaker 2: So we can't tell everybody. How many of y'all are wrong. If it has no head, the people behind go, I don't get how many of them there are. We're not going to deal. I don't want my head cut off and I think that's what the falcon should have done. They should have figured out a way to keep hitting break if he got them in your grasp. don't let them go. No, there's no sportsmanship to winning, right? Yeah. Only to lose and shit. We're going to get to that in a second. Alright, so you get out of Georgia tech. I go to detroit. Pistons. Alright, well forget about it. you're going to get some dentists, but talking about coach and what, what immediately was apparent to you as far as his not only coaching ability, but his ethos is so well versed with um, so just to let y'all know, he just used the word is a wine called ethos do anyway.

Speaker 2: Um, It was on my Coach governments or By uh, um, in the, in the Crux. Okay. So I go to the great chuck daly. God rest his soul. Absolutely. Chuck daily was literally having guys hit me like there's no referees in the pro. Okay? Because these are men auditioning for a Job. how so? Break that down. So you geT paid to play basketball in the pro. sure. If you don't do what's necessary, somebody else would get paid to play basketball. Every year in the nba there's only 50 jobs available. That means 50 guys are going to lose their job. They will kill you first before losing their job. Sure. Coach said you need a mouthpiece. Stopped talking aNd a dunk and come down fast. Show it on the court. Don't, don't talk about it. Don't talk about it. And don't talk sugar honeY. Iced tea during the game.

Speaker 2: Do your thing. Right? Of course. Yeah. Because you know, you start dunking and guys stopped looking into Camera and all of a sudden those guys have a twisted ankle or busted knee. Right? He said, no, these are just doing your job. Don't show people up. And he would say if you keep playing, like there's something shifting in milwaukee. Well he knew it wasn't enough water in milwaukee for me because it was not. There was a bar on every corner and I don't drink. Right. And you're a vegan. Am a vegan sausage ain't gonna learn. No, you put me in. You might as well say, hey man, we're gonna put you in the middle of hell. Right. I love milwaukee now because I get to get in and get out. But now the play there, I wasn't winning any new. All of those. He knew what I didn't want.

Speaker 2: He knew I loved the coast and new. I love the light was this. He knew I loved it. So it was different with. All right, so let's just go down. Let's go through the roster just a little bit and then we're going to go to winning. Actually talked about losing. So isaiah thomas, they'll point the winter. Everyone asked me one time who was the greatest player pay gets aNd they want me to saY joel played with george and I have to say isaiah because I played six years of isaiah and I watched a guy six foot six, one on a good day, be better than guys who was six slash nine slash 16 around him. So I saw him be great and become great and become a two time champion for different talent. Verse tenacity with him, it's the same level. Same like everyone lookS to New York and I go, well, isaiah team, well they really didn't.

Speaker 2: He drafted some of the best players in the nba. They just didn't Work together. I got to ask you about vinnie microwave johnson. Yes. This got ice cold From brooklyn. He's hit every shot I ever saw him and said he would have hit more if he got shot. He, I've never heard anybody bitching about taking shots with the video my life. And when he would come in the game, we would say, go Play. That means go to vinny. There you go. He knew he was getting the ball every time down the court. I go, how's that feel? Yeah, he goes, I should be starting. Couldn't get it. Always, always the next. Alright. So one of the old time, nice guys building one of the, one of the softest human beings I've ever been around. He's, he has the republican hot of a, of a, of a, of a doe.

Speaker 2: Everybody knows that this is like, he Just has. He's everybody understand him as evil as far as our spans. So talk about him as a person who's a player, is that. You know what I mean? Like what? What was that guy talking about as these, you know, we've seen all the highlights of him looking at people in Vietnam. Nasty. All right. Think about this though, bill, anD there's a reason we're called the bad boys of course, but not because of his play. He literally manufactured how we were going to be marketing. He said, you know what, we already got magic right now. They got it Larry Bird, they trying to make Michael Jordan. He goes, no one remembers the guy dwight. They remember the guy wearing black where you go and he goes, we like the oakland raiders of the whole mba. We like the bad boys in mba and that was it.

Speaker 2: And he said that. And then you became, we wouldn't. Rare raiders stuff, right. Raider send us a bunch of stuff. White. They said there's all this stuff with white that had silver and black because they didn't like wearing the white. So they wanted to wear the black stuff. So we got all the white stuff. What were the radar logo? And that became the mentality. Unbelievable. So he obviously a competitor, very tenacious, right? I mean, look what he's done in two mba, one, two, or three championship. He knows how to get you to focus. There you go. Alright, here we go. The warm best, best person on the planet. He is the most giving, the most sensitive, the most tenacious defensive player ever, ever. Not just since I was playing with, have ever imagined being six slash seven and shutting people down completely and totally. He was so good at it that the bulls gave them a job for a long time.

Speaker 2: He did it for all long time. She did. What is, this is aN enigmatic guy. Dennis rodman is the most. The Biggest enigmA of my lifetime, essentially. Right? You know, because I've seen him come up as a young guy and he does the whole North Korea thing or whatever. That was what it was, is the truth. We're in America. This is what I mean. We're americans and the only reason we disliked it because. Because we sit in front of an idiot box. Yup. Donald trump was right. It is fake news and the reason it is fake news is because they only tell us what they want to tell us to make us not look at what we should see. Right? Everyone's mad at Donald Trump.

Speaker 2: 1,000 seats. American was lost to the democratic party. Republican Donald Trump didn't become president because he wanted to be president. The country, the people power got them into positions and they needed somebody that can take all the dots so people are looking at it the wrong way period. So it's this mentality. It's how you move with it. When you believe what you believe. Dennis went over there and the guy was nice and that we can't. I can't go to certain parts and we treat it like dennis was treated in North Korea right now. What I'm going to get chased in this country. We talk about terrorism and they still have the boot cuts plan. That is. That is the biggest hypocritical thing I've ever seen. Why? Talk about his lobbyists who was blowing up other islamic countries and that talk about the client. Yeah, so you have a couple of years on me, but we're relatively in the same time.

Speaker 2: Gen x type deal. Right. What I see is that when we were kids, the other countries, but the other countries where the enemy, I'm not, I'm not quite going there. You can if you want to, but now I see it as and you just spoke to it. We are our own enemies. How do we stop that in your opinion? You start looking at the young turks. Television. I mean so on and on all the platform. Yeah. You deal with people who tell you not just the tool for democrats or republicans, but call out the people who will be elected and see if those people have been tampered with by special interest.

Speaker 2: Another thing is stop hating somebody walks in with a beard. You have a beard on with thoroughly it. Sure. Yeah. You'll do it. Yeah, sure. So when you were younger, we looked like when you were younger, that was a frog. Sure. Right. So, but if I would to all of a sudden put a hat on you and glasses you would get for though. Sure, everybody would be afraid of you because we have designed our brains and our media to pick out the look of somebody. That's what, when we talk about Judging a book by its cover and all that, and a profiler. Yup. Right. Black guy in a hoodie, head down, walking fast. Guy's dangerous. Not talking, not smiling at you. Oh my god. He must be thinking of something. It happens all the time. Even for black book, when I see that guy, I locked my door because I've been trained.

Speaker 2: Just like you've been trained, right? This guy has something bad. Everybody. It's all of us. we have to stop training, hate and fear. Right. That's great. That's well said. Now let's get to the winning. They ship the shit that you see them roll the champagne out out of my locker room. Nineteen 88 and pushing out. I grab a hat that says world champion pistons. Nineteen 88. I snatched it off the table. I'd still have it. and they snapped into plastic down with sitting. This highlands is like. And you hear them sharing. Yeah. Yeah. One more. You hear them in the back locker room and you just crickets on our side, right? Like we need five more minutes. one more minute. Oh, we should have one. If we had to less minutes, we would've won the game and then we wind up that. That idea. Isaiah will get on a plane.

Speaker 2: We're flying back. If we get home court advantage next year, we'll win on the home court. So that was the goal. We created the goal on the back back after losing gained seven 88 years ago. We wind up giving the background record that year. 63 wins. Got home court advantage what we want, where we lost. That was important though and that was sweet. Yeah. Socially for straight. Congratulations. Thank you very much. I mean, just as a person on earth watching you guys do your stuff, it's pretty cool to watch. Thank you. So, you know, I'm glad you're not a person on jupiter because then I would have to ask you a whole bunch of questions. No, we can talk about that at different times. For instance, we are the cannabis. Yes. What are you doing here? My daughter tyler and I break distributed chris right there figuring out how we get products into.

Speaker 2: I decided to be a brand to own brick and mortar, rather the, as I said, coca cola, pepsi cola mentality, coca cola, pepsi. How does that work out with coca cola is the most identifiable all of all of the world. Sure. Pepsi cola owns all the frito freedom. Pepsi. There you go. They, they, they brought in there. Absolutely. There their outreach in different products to read all that. Quaker, oats, all of it, all of that data. All of it. Right now. You get it. Yeah, so even though coca cola is the most identify, identify pepsi cola company is the best bits. So I liked the vision. It makes sense to me to figure it out. And when you got something, we'll talk about it yet. However, what brought you in here? I mean talk about cannabis and what it means to you and personal reasons.

Speaker 2: My legs and my body. Plus I wanted my daughters to have a Job. I wanted them to have a career business. Family business. Okay. So as opposed to going and having them work for somebody else, teach them what I could teach them, I teach them myself and we learn ourselves and so we figured out what would it be best for us, will be best for personalities. Nobody wants to get up to make sure to like my wife family owned the florist and my mother and I used to work at all different jobs. Yeah. We realized that we had a product that was a great product, like one of my favorites that gaza is the drone. the prodrome family has know that our own distribution and everything they make. They said they don't have any black from last year. Right. That uh, number one cigar and the cigar business.

Speaker 2: When I saw that family in that product is in everybody works. The sons, the nephews and nieces, the grandchildren, everybody. Everybody works in the business. That's what I rather. Alright. so we got the family will want in a family business, we go to a brand because that makes more sense than brick and mortar receipt madrone. And why aren't you doing cigars? Why aren't you doing wine? Why is it cannabis? Because the business was getting a different tax and we already had to fight the whole tobacco mentality because of tobacco on tobacco. Sure. I'm in the wine business for the past five years. Has that been called the vegan? Well, I got into whole foods and this is how I learned to do this. I learned about distribution and I learned if you're are distributed, likes you, you're everywhere. Short of your distributed says you want it to 1700.

Speaker 2: You're calling them all kinds of mothers. That's, that's how that goes. Many mothers, as you can call them, you call them. So I started a digital distribution company with my partner. We now took on this company and as champagne, my wine and I have whole foods. So that's 300, 405 stores. I just got to get them not to charge me for sliding fee. Sure, exactly. And that mentorees don't know about slotting fee you'll be getting. Yeah, exactly. So I mean, do you, uh, are you a cannabis enthusiast of any kind? You said you're not locking your knees. I liked stratego. Um, I liked the lotions and potions and I don't do the pill so I still smoke. I like flower. Favorite thing? Yeah, edibles. I make. Right. It's so funny. If you ever, if they ever say I got to be on television that night, that's when I'm the funniest because I smoke it for 20 and nine and 10 really everyday.

Speaker 2: Everyday. Interesting. And so then that, that brings you uP to where you need to be type of thing. It makes it where I don't feel like certain people should be run off the road or it should be beheaded, bring gel up and it also brings you down. It brings me right to where I need to know I'm going to go smoke this and realize why you should be able to plan it. Now the vegan thing, what's that about? So the deal is I don't believe that anything has to die for me to live and I believe in life and I believe the best thing on the planet, his life and how to stay alive. And I believe all things have the right animals have families too. Sure. So to feel. Well, you know, we're the highest species and we get to eat them and I tell everybody what we supposedly meat.

Speaker 2: Then I want to go grab a wall to obese. Yeah, kill them, kill them, widget teeth. caught them or your hand known, even cut them. Just starting. I want you to start eating them from his anus in like a carnivore does. If you can't do that, then maybe we'll pick up piece of fruit and bite into it like you're supposed to enjoy it. Enjoy your food. Human food. So here's the three final questions. I'll tell you what they are and then Alaska them in order. What has most surprised you in cannabis? What has most surprised you in life? And then on the soundtrack of john sally's life, one track, one song that's got to be on there. First things first, what has most surprised you in candidates?

Speaker 2: Most surprised me and cannabis is that this has been an industry that is open to all the young female asian through african. Through. That has been the thIng with me. Anybody and everybody. Everybody. Everybody is not as. It's not segregated. Yeah, great thing. Yeah. Um, next question, what has most surprised you in life? John salley most surprised me in life is literally how to stay alive longer and I found out by the way I organize my foodS, which way it moves and how easy it is to be nice and how odd it is to be An asshole. That's interesting. How easy it is to be nice and how hard it is to be an asshole. I think that's because you and me are actually good people in exactly because it's easy for me, but I think it's actually difficult for some people to be nice.

Speaker 2: I'm seeing that's what Caused their hurting. So deepest up. Yeah, there you go. I said if you want to hurt somebody has nothing with the hurt. It has everything to do with you real quick. We touched on spider in the morning. Can you just tell us how those nicknames came to be? I got. I got long arms and legs and was the spider and dennis said his nickname was the worm. I said, I don't think you would want people to call. You were, but hey, it works. It worked for his soundtrack. One track, one song. That's got to be on the soundtrack of your life, Michael Jackson, human nature or no. Or be print adult there. You got two good ones right there. Michael France. You know, rip both of them, right frankie. Beverly base. Happy feelings. I got so much stevie wonder, which stevie wonder I'm going to ask god.

Speaker 2: Oh, okay. There you go. Yeah, trust me. I told steve, I went to a stevie wonder concert. I was there for three and a half hours. I said, stevie wonder favorite song is, as I said, I forgot you made all of that music. He goes, yes, I did. I go, how do you not forget all of that music lyrics. I'll click. He said, it ain't just music to me. That's the words. He said, I don't make this up. I just think it is me. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, it's john. Sally, I appreciate it. Alright. Alright. John. Sally.com. There you go.

Speaker 1: And there you have john salley. Very much appreciated his time. Very much appreciated the conversation around the fact that we've got to kind of learn to think for ourselves. Here I am 100 percent on board as far as that is concerned, not letting other folks kind of have us think what they'd like us to think. Food for thought. Thanks for listening.

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