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Ep.253: Sue Taylor: MCBA Spotlight

Cannabis Economy Podcast
Ep.253: Sue Taylor: MCBA Spotlight

Ep.253: Sue Taylor: MCBA Spotlight

Sue Taylor returns to give us an update on her Berkeley business. She takes us through the fact that the cannabis isn’t as easy as those outside the industry assume. She got a license- which took her years to secure, but that’s when the real hard work began. And so, she’s re-evaluated how she views business partnerships and is currently in the process of reestablishing new investors. And even though she’s looking for funding, she’s happier now than she’s ever been. Bringing the option of cannabis to the baby boomer community is her dream, she’s passionate about it, she’s driven to deliver, she’s good at, she loves it…and as she says- it’s the right thing to do. She made the decision long ago to make the world a better place through not just existing but truly living.

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Speaker 1: Sue Taylor returns. Sue Taylor returns to give us an update on her Berkeley business. She takes us through the fact that cannabis isn't as easy as those outside the industry. Assume she got a license which took her years to secure, but that's when the real hard work began, and so she's reevaluated how she views business partnerships and is currently in the process of reestablishing new investors and even though she's reworking funding, she's happier now than she's ever been. Bringing the option of cannabis to the baby boomer community is her dream. She's passionate about it. She's driven to the liver. She's good at it. She loves it, and as she says, it's the right thing to do. She made the decision long ago to make the world a better place through not just existing but truly living. Welcome to cannabis economy. I'm your host Seth Adler. Check us out on social with the handle can economy. That's two ends in the word economy. The iconic sue Taylor. We're sitting here

Speaker 2: on a bench looking out on the water. It's beautiful. So I mean, you know, you can't get a better day, right? No Way. We, we on the east coast, we think that a San Francisco and Oakland, that's just like La, right? It's not like La as far as weather's concerned. No, but it is pretty good. It's pretty good. It's awesome. It's still California, whether it's still California, whether it's, it's its own, it's its own breed type of thing. It's, it's, it's, its own breed. It's a. Did the energy is different here? Yeah. Well let's talk about some energy, right? Because last time we talked, you got the license, right? First licensed person in, uh, in the area even though we've had this mentors here for 20 odd years, whatever. And so, uh, just like that, everybody knows once you get the license you start printing cannabis money, right? Yeah. Right. I,

Speaker 3: I wish. So I think that this is, this is good because this is, this is more kind of really what happens, right. You know, here's a business that is highly regulated or waiting for regulations. Um, and so what, what, what goes on? So last we spoke of what it would have been about six months ago, maybe nine months ago, right? So in the ensuing months when we were going to build it out and, you know, put your son in back and you were going to sit out front. What's been going on? Well, a lot has been going on since May 11th. I May 10th. Yeah, it would have been a year that we've gotten the permit and coming up on it, coming up on it and even though we've gotten a lot done on the building as far as, uh, the estimates and the contract is waiting and all that kinds of stuff and plans drawn for the physical things of it.

Speaker 3: Uh, we came across, uh, a glitch, a glitch in the matrix in the Matrix, uh, and we were finding that we were going to have to be searching for some new investors in new money to, uh, to further us along. Is it a safe to say that everything costs more and takes longer and cannabis? Yes. I'm finding that out. It's um, but I don't think it's, it's, I think it's just business. I really don't think it has so much. This part a is just regular stuff here. It's just regular stuff here, so miss miscalculations and things of that nature and um, uh, and so, uh, as we sort through a new investors and looking for better terms and smarter money, uh, you learn as you go and it's like I was mentioning to you before, uh, I'm not, I'm, I'm not. I'm disappointed that we're not open now that I'm not so disappointed that that happened because I met an incredible amount of fat.

Speaker 3: Fabulous people have some potential great investors that's on board that's a doing incredible things and I've learned so much. I never ever could have taken a business class and gain the knowledge that I have gained. Gone through this. Well, let's try to do this. So, so kind of. It's basically been a year. Yes. You know what, what are the key kind of lessons, right? If you can mention one or three or five of them, read the small print on all contracts. Just read all the contracts. Read every page, every sentence, everything because they're putting stuff in there and get a full understanding to everything that you're signing and be a part of that and not hand that over to somebody. Yeah, you get your lawyers involved, but you got to make sure that you know exactly that your is explaining exactly what the numbers mean. Uh, all event know everything. And so here we go. We got the train to the left of us water to the right. Here we are stuck in the middle with you, right? Yes. That's where we are actually. It's a great place to be. Is Jacqueline did Square Jack London Square in Oakland? Yeah, absolutely. We had a bird fly up here. And you said the birds come to you. The animals come to you? Yes they do. And then you said, uh, and if I, if I make them, they'll go away. And then he said, go away and the bird went away.

Speaker 1: Sue Taylor returns. Sue Taylor returns to give us an update on her Berkeley business. She takes us through the fact that cannabis isn't as easy as those outside the industry. Assume she got a license which took her years to secure, but that's when the real hard work began, and so she's reevaluated how she views business partnerships and is currently in the process of reestablishing new investors and even though she's reworking funding, she's happier now than she's ever been. Bringing the option of cannabis to the baby boomer community is her dream. She's passionate about it. She's driven to the liver. She's good at it. She loves it, and as she says, it's the right thing to do. She made the decision long ago to make the world a better place through not just existing but truly living. Welcome to cannabis economy. I'm your host Seth Adler. Check us out on social with the handle can economy. That's two ends in the word economy. The iconic sue Taylor. We're sitting here

Speaker 2: on a bench looking out on the water. It's beautiful. So I mean, you know, you can't get a better day, right? No Way. We, we on the east coast, we think that a San Francisco and Oakland, that's just like La, right? It's not like La as far as weather's concerned. No, but it is pretty good. It's pretty good. It's awesome. It's still California, whether it's still California, whether it's, it's its own, it's its own breed type of thing. It's, it's, it's, its own breed. It's a. Did the energy is different here? Yeah. Well let's talk about some energy, right? Because last time we talked, you got the license, right? First licensed person in, uh, in the area even though we've had this mentors here for 20 odd years, whatever. And so, uh, just like that, everybody knows once you get the license you start printing cannabis money, right? Yeah. Right. I,

Speaker 3: I wish. So I think that this is, this is good because this is, this is more kind of really what happens, right. You know, here's a business that is highly regulated or waiting for regulations. Um, and so what, what, what goes on? So last we spoke of what it would have been about six months ago, maybe nine months ago, right? So in the ensuing months when we were going to build it out and, you know, put your son in back and you were going to sit out front. What's been going on? Well, a lot has been going on since May 11th. I May 10th. Yeah, it would have been a year that we've gotten the permit and coming up on it, coming up on it and even though we've gotten a lot done on the building as far as, uh, the estimates and the contract is waiting and all that kinds of stuff and plans drawn for the physical things of it.

Speaker 3: Uh, we came across, uh, a glitch, a glitch in the matrix in the Matrix, uh, and we were finding that we were going to have to be searching for some new investors in new money to, uh, to further us along. Is it a safe to say that everything costs more and takes longer and cannabis? Yes. I'm finding that out. It's um, but I don't think it's, it's, I think it's just business. I really don't think it has so much. This part a is just regular stuff here. It's just regular stuff here, so miss miscalculations and things of that nature and um, uh, and so, uh, as we sort through a new investors and looking for better terms and smarter money, uh, you learn as you go and it's like I was mentioning to you before, uh, I'm not, I'm, I'm not. I'm disappointed that we're not open now that I'm not so disappointed that that happened because I met an incredible amount of fat.

Speaker 3: Fabulous people have some potential great investors that's on board that's a doing incredible things and I've learned so much. I never ever could have taken a business class and gain the knowledge that I have gained. Gone through this. Well, let's try to do this. So, so kind of. It's basically been a year. Yes. You know what, what are the key kind of lessons, right? If you can mention one or three or five of them, read the small print on all contracts. Just read all the contracts. Read every page, every sentence, everything because they're putting stuff in there and get a full understanding to everything that you're signing and be a part of that and not hand that over to somebody. Yeah, you get your lawyers involved, but you got to make sure that you know exactly that your is explaining exactly what the numbers mean. Uh, all event know everything. And so here we go. We got the train to the left of us water to the right. Here we are stuck in the middle with you, right? Yes. That's where we are actually. It's a great place to be. Is Jacqueline did Square Jack London Square in Oakland? Yeah, absolutely. We had a bird fly up here. And you said the birds come to you. The animals come to you? Yes they do. And then you said, uh, and if I, if I make them, they'll go away. And then he said, go away and the bird went away.

Speaker 3: Amazing. All right. So read everything. Read the fine print. Be involved in that process. Don't outsource that, right? No, no. The deal. Right. And to be a part of it and what it has done is made me a better businesswoman woman through that glitch, through that, a reconfiguration. Um, I've always been great with people. Sure. You know, and uh, uh, don't mix up the people part with the business part. So that's, this may be lesson number two here. What does that mean? Don't mix them up, I think, I know, but what do you mean somebody might be your friend to adore, but maybe not necessarily on paper because they're business people. And I have to understand that you see kind of pick one, maybe either the friend or the, you know, business partner type of deal if you don't, right. If you haven't done business with them before, you know.

Speaker 3: Yeah. Just kinda know, um, did balance it out. How do you mean? Um, yes. Okay. This person is my friend, but also read everything. Still still don't. Just a trust because your trust and, and expect everything to just be work out in your favor. There's the, you know, that saying trust but verify. You know, I like that, that trust and verify. Yes. The one, I think they credit Reagan with that I think it was someone else, but yeah. Yeah. So it's, um, it's just been, it's just been something seth, because, you know, I've been on this journey for 10 years, 10 long years before this has come and, you know, another aspect of this that I don't think I've shared with you before, but I'm being African American in this business has also been very challenging. Sure. Uh, and uh, now tell us why in this, because you've been in other industries and why specifically for one, I'm a, people of color are not prevalent in this industry, right?

Speaker 3: It's mostly white males. The percentages are off the percentages office. It's not, it's not a real good balance. And there's not that many women either. Definitely better though. It's getting better at 100 percent better. And, and they're definitely not many seniors, African American women in this business. And interesting. I didn't know. I didn't even think about it. You don't see him in the Arcview uh, uh, conferences. And whenever I go to conferences, there weren't that many African American women. Oh, definitely. Not as senior African American woman. You're the one. I know. Definitely. I might be the only one. Yeah, absolutely. I'm not. I don't have enough courage to do it. But even seniors, I mean it's a younger crowd. Definitely. Oh, most definitely. Most definitely. But the road is. We had. It took us so long seth, because we couldn't do what what other racists could do, especially the white race.

Speaker 3: We couldn't do it because the police would attack us first. We will will we say, why don't you just throw up. He's taking you 10 years. My buddy opened up. I've been open ever since. We can't do that. With that said my son to jail me to jail, you know, it just. So it took us a little longer and then to get this Berkeley permit, they said we're going to give one permit. We went after that one permit five years ago. Working on that. That one permit, you know, you know what they did at the Berkeley City Council? They gave two more ha after they gave the one. Then here come two more. They just handed it to them and interesting. After we waited five years type of deal. So it's, it's, it's those guy, you know, I don't know, Berkeley is small, but in essence that's what happened.

Speaker 3: Now I didn't want to take away, especially from a pocket therian and Ryan Hudson because I just love that guy and, and, and, and I respect him not to take away from him, but just the overall point is not who got the license. Your point is just that all of a sudden there were two more right away. Just so well put. Thank you. You're very smart guy. Thank you for bringing it with them. It's nothing to do with him because I have all the respect. It's a good thing. He got one right. I'm happy to feedback. Good to give it to him. There you go. Alright. But that, that was a little strange, you know, and we did talk last time about the fact that we had to put your son in back and you know, you were going to be out front. Right. And that's still kind of the case.

Speaker 3: You know, what, what, what maybe is there a third lessons and then we'll, we'll kind of move on to the, you know, how you're doing with your patients and all that. Is there a third lesson over the past year that you Kinda took away? Read the fine print, make sure we know this friend. Okay, fine. Still read the fine print, you know, doing business. We're not just gonna go ahead and trust blindly type of deal. Yeah, I guess, I guess it's all in the same day due diligence about, uh, um, uh, you know, who, who you're working with and uh, and make sure, you know, we also got one. Make sure you a good mix, you know, make sure whoever you're going to be hands on, you know, that will be there with you in the um, some local people maybe that knows the territory, that knows I'm a, that's willing to come to the dispensary and uh, and, and be kind of hands on, right?

Speaker 3: Jump in different kinds of minds. And this is part and parcel with the, the people of color thing. Let's have different types of people on the team bringing a different type of mindset, make sure we've kind of taking everything into account. Yes. You see, and I'm on, I'm a stickler for. I make sure we're interracial and intergenerational. You see, you need some young people, some old people, you know, some people of color, some white people, just just the whole gamut. Jews, you know, one or two Jewish people, just whatever. That's what makes the world. That's it. You see that, that's what makes everything balanced and click. That's it. And you learn the different ways people do things in different cultures. And, and that's one of the gifts of even searching for the new investors, for the new money, not only for better terms, that's our main goal is to get that variety. Look at me, I'm talking to you and, and, and, and I'll be talking to you more. Absolutely. Just don't know I'm going to be going in new yard. Uh, just all kinds of things of that nature. I talked to everybody, you know, now

Speaker 2: you know, and these are good lessons and you know, they, they might seem basic, but you know, if you don't, if you haven't experienced them, you don't know him, you know what I mean, you know them until you know him. What about, you know, your kind of general mindset. Uh, it's taken a year. You're a doer. You'd like to be, you know, doing the thing and it's taken a year since license taken nine years before that. Um, you know, you were talking to me before about how you don't see this as, as negative.

Speaker 3: No, I don't, I, I really don't. Um, I'm a firm believer the universe works for my highest good at all times regardless of appearances really. That works for everybody that way, but I recognize it and I claim it. So when this happened, I said, okay. Firstly threw me for a loop for three days. Okay. What are we doing here? Okay. Right. Okay. University, Ohio University. Uh Huh. What's, what's, what's with this crap? You know, so then it kicked. Okay. There's a gift in this contrast. You know, there's a gift in this challenge and I've been asking the universe, you show me a business class to take, you know, I've been asking, that was my business class. Just gave it to you. You gave it to me. I received a remarkable gift of, of business, of dealing with lawyers and not being afraid, uh, of negotiating, of, um, uh, of reading and learning percentages, all those kinds of things that I was looking to, to find a class for.

Speaker 3: I got it handed to me. You got your Mba, your masters of business for right? You got it? Yes. And know, um, I didn't go to business school, but uh, everything I've learned, I've learned the hard way, you know? Can you learn it the easy way? No. Right. No, that's doing only through doing words don't teach. You got to do. Right. You know, it's going through this. The best lesson you could ever doesn't feel very good. That's. It doesn't, not at the time. And my kids don't see it that way. So moms nuts, you know, skipping to be so happy, you know. And you know what else? I'm not mad at anybody. That's the key. I'm not angry with anyone. You can center yourself, you know, and make sure that you're good and then you know, you're giving that energy out. Right? And that's the only kind of energy I want to give out.

Speaker 3: You know, nothing bad. I don't bad mouth anybody, you know, it's just that good energy in how you. I continue to get that good energy and why birds flock to me. Trust me, folks wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it myself really happened. It's in order to stay on that vibrational, you have to stay there. You can spiral down into that net. Oh, what a share the cutter, you know, I knew this, you know, if this hadn't happened, it did. How do we move forward? Let me ask you this because I feel like I can guess your politics right? And so you know, how, how are you looking at politics now if you don't kind of think negatively, if you don't think about you, anyone I would imagine that would include everybody. How do we, how are you squaring your mind with trump? Sure.

Speaker 3: Okay. Well this is how I see trump. I didn't vote for trump, I thought was my guest and nor would I ever vote for trump. Right. But I bless trump because trump can do some kind of good. I'm sure he is. Shit. Don't follow him. So I don't know it. But if he was elected into this, there was some good come out of that. He's not all bad. Right? There's some, some good. He's an excellent businessman, that's for sure. Alright. Now there's, you know, there's all sorts of controversy about that. Yeah. Well, well I'm talking about with the, because I don't follow them that closely, but from what he has put forth, but the trump towers and all that. He's, he's been noted. He's done his stuff. He's got, he's got billions. So no matter what he's a good businessman is your point. Exactly. I got you.

Speaker 3: You see, so, so that's good. Now as president, I see it differently, you know? Um, but let's, let's, let's see how it, how it goes with him. So you're saying bless them and then apply the Janet Jackson theory, which is what have you done for me lately? I. Yes, yes. You see it's a, he's doing a lot of things that I don't agree with, but this well isn't based on who you agree with or who you don't. It just is. And I'm, I'm interested to see how this will pan out, you know, especially in the cannabis industry because he said he was coming after us, you know, kind of. Right. Well, I've been denying, um, I had a couple of, I guess it was NBC. Sure they wanted to come and fill me at one of my senior facilities while I was going to go and do presentations about cannabis because I've been asked to do that more and more and uh, one of them that I always go to and they always film, turned me down with the facility or the facility turned me down for the filming for the filming because they still want to be associated.

Speaker 3: They said trump will come and take their federally funded money. Right? So they're in fear. I don't operate out of fear. Right. And you don't understand where they're coming from, of course. And uh, even, uh, seniors that I've worked with that are we willing to do interviews said, no, no, trump will come get me now. They don't realize I'm not going to come knock on that door and pull him out. But, but red is fear, they're afraid. And so I have to that. Absolutely. And I think that that is one of the tools that the employees, you know, yes. If fear. Yeah, I think that he does. He does do that. Um, let's talk about those seniors though. Let's talk about, you know, how we're doing with that. I, I always, I always quote you with the, you know, the fistful of pills. If you've got a fistful of pills, you know, let's, let's, uh, let's talk to soon about how we can kind of, you know, make that maybe two or three.

Speaker 3: Exactly. And that's been, that's been happening now. You know, how I have over the last, uh, five years, uh, to keep me afloat and keep the momentum going with all of this until we even got the permit. And even tell now is that I've just been so well received and the senior community in introducing the cannabis, they're, they see that the pharmaceutical approach to healthcare, it's not working for them, it's flawed. And so, uh, they're, they're actually open more now. And prop 64 has really helped with the seniors because they see it as, you know, now it's legitimate type of thing. Yes. And See we're stickler. Seniors are sticklers for following the rules. We follow our rules, the rules, and we pay our bills on the first of every month. It's due on the first. You Pat on the first and these young people, they say, oh no, we paid when we get around to it or the 15th, they know that.

Speaker 3: They know that draws. Oh, oh no, you got 15 days. Grace, we don't deal with that all on the 15th. We pay. So we'll stickler for rules. So when it was passed to be legalized here, they said, oh, well it's legal then I might, I could try it now because the state of California says it's legal. You see? So that opened up. It was two reasons why I pushed for 60, 64. That was one of them. That was the main one. So the seniors could see that, uh, uh, our state is open and legitimate. It's legitimate, you know, you won't be breaking the law, breaking the law. Also the disproportionate arrests of African Americans. And so there's money that goes to those disproportionately affected by the war on drugs. So it was, it was those two things. But, uh, the seniors, I'm speaking May 20th at the patients out of time conference with this will be out of time by that time.

Speaker 3: What's the subject matter though? Um, seniors and medical cannabis. A new perspective. That's my title. And that's the fastest growing segment, you know, each time they put out numbers, fastest growing segment. Our boomers. You got it right? Well, you know why it's in the title it baby boomer. That's why there's. Yeah, there's so many of them. Exactly. And we have more elements than anybody else. How do you mean? Well, with age come elements, elements, elements. Oh No, no, no ailments, which I believe, but the ailments and elements. So I'm. And Cannabis has been known to cure almost 99 percent of those ailments, if not cure it, just bring a tremendous amount of relief without taking a pill. That's kind of as to the straight element. I thought of you when I saw an advertisement and I don't know what it was. It was opioid here, take this pill for opioid induced something or other.

Speaker 3: So they're saying it, they're saying it's straight out on the commercial. We, you've got this because of its opioid induced, so now take this pill because you're taking that pill and they're just saying it straight, straight out. And I was like, shoot that. She wouldn't have any of that. No. No Way. You see. And if they know it, everybody knows it. But, but really a why I think my job is so important is that when I go out and speak, I'm able to. Well first of all they see I'm their age. You know, I'm a senior, I'll be 70 in three months. Oh my goodness. Happy Birthday. You look fantastic. Well thank you. Is Easy. So, so I'm one of them. I'm not talking, you know, not having a 30 year old talk about this, you know, of what you speak. I know of what I speak and I said I, I genuinely, genuinely care.

Speaker 3: I want to make a difference. Yeah. I want to make a difference in the senior population. You know, we owe it to the senior population to bring knowledge about, about cannabis can possibly help. Helping to eliminate the stigma that surrounds the cannabis and bringing knowledge about the character forms. Which strand helps which ailment of, of, of the seniors. Right? And more importantly, more importantly is to help give them a better quality of life because once they off all those opiates that their quality of life automatically improves. Sure. You don't have the know the days, whatever on top of your head exactly it. Most. Most of the people don't even want to get out of bed that rather die. Some of them do. They just die. You know, because why deal with it when the cannabis and the way I see it, it's not just the cannabis.

Speaker 3: Cannabis is a huge part of it because seniors are in pain and most seniors take cannabis for sleep and pain, mostly some arthritis, but the most is sleeping pain. But as they, um, as they get off of those, uh, opiates, the fog lightens and then you incorporate eating better eating habits, some meditation, some physical activities. It's the whole circle of total wellbeing. You'd almost do a one a day of wellness coming from here. I don't want to get out of bed to, well, let's go for a walk. I've had a dying patients, uh, once got on the cannabis and off all the opens. Go to Europe with their family, you know, before they made their transition. But they were, they were alive. And I are, I remember this, this one family I call that help them call them, uh, two years later. I said, how's Michael?

Speaker 3: They said, well, Michael passed. And I said, I'm so sorry. I wasn't able to have to. Oh, but you did. He was president of the day. He passed over the, the, the, all the stuff he had experienced. He had already had three or four chemo, uh, cancer operations. It was almost too late, he said, but those last two years we had him totally. We went to Europe. We did this, we did that all because of the cannabis. I thank you. So Taylor. Thank you. So here, I thought because he was, had passed on to the other side that, you know, that's a negative thing, but when she shared that with me, it just, it just made me feel good. That's, I mean, that's all we're going. For example, I'm 41, my dad's 71, right, okay. And so, you know, hey, as long as the last day's a great day, right? Isn't that the point? That is the point, you know, that is the point now. So obviously with those being the ends, you know, that certainly justifies the means, but you said, you know, you, you kind of owe it to people to do this. And we might've talked about this last time,

Speaker 4: what,

Speaker 3: where did your path meet? Cannabis? And you realize that you are, you're the right voice, you're the right mind to, to, you know, to kind of help this as big of a community as you can get to help them. Well, first of all, it took some time before I was really convinced, okay, because, you know, I'm not, I, I don't, I've never smoked cannabis. Right. And it took a while. You know, I came back to say my son who I thought was on drugs, he really wasn't even, we did talk to or anything. And uh, the shorter the story is we invested with can be, which is a part of harmless harvest side was, yeah, back in the day. And uh, I started working, uh, doing senior outreach for Steven Deangelis at harborside. Right. And, uh, in, in working there I've, I saw, I was inviting seniors and city officials to come to harbor side to see what they were offering and, and talk to them about the key components of the cannabis. And one by one over the years it was, ended up being five years. I couldn't turn my back on it because of the healing I saw. There you go. My son asked me mind, how can you do that? You don't even smoke. I said, I don't care. It's helpful to me is nobody. Somebody say, is it your dream or your son's dream? Yeah. I took some time, meditated on that. Pharma is my doing. He brought it to me. I'm passionate about it. Um, I'm driven for it. I'm good at it. I love doing the work

Speaker 3: and it's the right thing to do. It's the right thing to do. And here's another part. Yeah. A long time ago go. I made a conscious decision to make this world a better place because I lived, you see, I just don't want to exist. I want to live, take a bite out of everyday type thing. I'm happier now than I've ever been. I don't have any money and I'm still happy. Well, that makes two of us. I'm still happy. Uh, when you said that that was, was that a cognitive moment? Did you literally turn yourself around it at a certain moment? It kind of gradually happened, but now with the, with the cannabis and me believing in that. Yeah, it was, it really was paranoid to go. When I saw those people come to me and say to me, I'm no longer on the pharmaceuticals, I'm just doing the cannabis, you know, those kinds of things. But for you personally, when, when was that kind of flip? It sounds like the way that you described, you said it's gradual, but there was a flip, that switch that got flipped. It sounds like it really happened when I was working at harbor side with Steven and then. Okay. So if it was related to the cannabis kind of journey, definitely I began to see things outside of the box. I was scared of the cannabis. Yeah, I thought it was a drug right now that was harming your son. That's exactly. I remember

Speaker 2: now. So what I've been a Kinda sharing with folks that are, you know, I'm not in cannabis, not in the industry, but you know, when I tell them what I do, they're like, oh, you know, that's interesting. I'm, I'm not into it, you know? Um, but, and so then I ask them, well, do you think it should be legal, if you will? Sure. And so I like in that type of thinking and that type of person to, you know, try to do both sides. Right. So, uh, guns, right? Let's say you are all for guns rights, but you don't own a gun. Right. That's, that's, that's who sue is here in cannabis. Right. You're not smoking it, but you are advocating for it. Let's say you're supportive of same sex marriage. You don't have a same sex partner, but you're supportive of same sex marriage. That's what [inaudible] doing here in cannabis without smoking it. Is that, is that a fair. Actually I started to mention it to you. Yeah. I have a gay son that lives with his partner and it was me working in the cannabis industry. Yeah.

Speaker 3: And him telling me and his two brothers that he was gay, that I tell you I was blessed with that. I was blessed with it because it made me think outside of the box. See, I lived in a box Catholic school principal here. Yes, that's right. I go by the rules and no, that's not in a bible. Whatever. It gave me new eyes. I was blessed with that gay, wonderful son. I gave

Speaker 2: you new eyes outside of the Bible. How did you, how did you square it for yourself? Of course you love your son. That's the easy answer, but how did you kind of take, you know, how'd you justified with the good book and your heart and your mind and all that? My son was more important in the good book. Okay, fair enough. You see my son is the good book. Yeah, you get it. I got you. The Sun is the good book. My son

Speaker 3: is directly from the universe. Well, what, what is that passage? It's, you know, thou a man shall not lie with another man I think is the kind of the quote, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something like that. But is that what it even means? What? Well, it depends on which Bible you're reading, right? That's the whole contract thing. And, uh, you know, there are different kinds of bibles and in, in, in my studying of eastern and religions and all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Uh, they took out a lot of the most important parts of the, of, of the, of the Bible and, and added some other stuff. And so my son was, the, was the, the gay son was the best teacher of all that. That young man is nothing but love nothing, but you couldn't ask for a more genuine loving person. So if the Bible said no, I have a friend right now her, she didn't go to her very best friends wedding because she was marrying another gay woman. Right? She said, I said, but she's your friend. She's been a childhood friend. Yeah. But it goes against me. I see something wrong in that. Yeah. You see my heart guides me, my heart tells me, right. Um, and with the cannabis, it's the, it's the healing, the joy that's brought out in people, the healing, the wellbeing that's brought out the excitement that's brought out in people now. Yes. Does people misused candidate? Right?

Speaker 5: You know, but they'll misuse water or beer or whatever. Definitely. You misused beer. Yeah.

Speaker 3: You know, so there's too much healing with this cannabis to go ignored. Right. The stigma should be eliminated so people could see if it works for them. That's my job. Right. I helped with that. You Go, you see, you helped with that. It's our job to listen to this before. When you, before you came onto this earth, before I came into this earth, you know, we chose to come when we did. Oh, you think

Speaker 3: you know why? You know why we chose to come at this time? Because we knew. They said we're going to go now because we knew we could make a difference. There's a mission there at this time. I want to go now. Now many come say, okay, I'm coming now because it's my time. I could make a difference in that era. Right? Many are called few respond. We are the responders. You see I do. We said yes. Interest is this scary hail. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Do we stop? No Way. That's it. And, and I see life like that. I was just asked to do a, a, a. They called it a, like a funeral or Passover. I've never done one before. You know, I am an ordained minister. I'd never done one before, but I said yes. My son said, mom, you never did one. I'll say so, you know.

Speaker 3: I see. So what was the ceremony? What is it? His mom, my cousin's mom passed and he said, would you do the service? I said, oh baby, I don't do funerals. Right. So he said, well, he said I would be honored if you did. I see, you know, I don't believe in hell and damnation. I'm all about love and energy. And I say, you know, as far as I'm concerned, your Mama didn't die. Her physical body died, but her, her spirit is living in well. And so he said, I said, it will be a celebration of life. I wish he did well. He said, that's why I was pleased to do it. You already were doing it is looking at his point. He already knew you already saw it. You did? Yeah. And so it's, it's that, it's that whole seeing life beyond appearances. You see, I not only talk about cannabis, I talk about the spiritual being of every human being.

Speaker 3: You see, you got to key in to that, in that, in that energy vibration, like the bird, you know, like all of that. It's more to life than what we see on TV. It's more than that off, by the way. I don't, I don't watch it. My sisters told me yesterday, she said, I see why you don't watch TV. I said, ah, I don't need to. I somebody telling me, sure enough, she told me all the stuff that was happening. And that's good because she sugar coated a lot. But people really have to go within and operate from the inner being and then to the world. See yourself before you're, uh, you know, worried about someone else just like, make sure you're straight there. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's like the airline. When you get on the airline, if an emergency happens, the oxygen mask goes over you first child and the loved one.

Speaker 3: You take care of yourself first, spiritually, mentally, nutritionally, whatever, because you got to push out the right kind of energy. So it's got to be right first. It's not a selfish thing. It's, you know, if you don't do that then you're not pushing out the right type of energy. You got it. And so like, I knew I was going to be meeting with you today, so I protected myself from. I didn't call, I'm not gonna. Mention any names. I didn't call people who I know might be like this even though I love them. I gotcha my whip you up. Exactly. So, so I only surrounding. I did my meditation and all of that. I blessed you to ask the why questions to me to respond accordingly and just asked for the universe to make this powerful and meaningful for the both of us. You see, you just set that and then I protected myself by not being around a lot of people today. Well, I wouldn't spiraled down in any way, so just could be the best ever. There we go. Straighten up and fly right? I saying right. There you go. Alright, let's do, I feel like

Speaker 2: I did the three final questions with you last time and usually I don't, you know, repeat them. I do. I always ask the question, the final question here. Let's do this right? Because it's the three final questions are, what has most surprised you in cannabis? What has most surprised you in life and on the soundtrack of your life? One track, one song that's got to be on there. We're going to do that one because I always want a song, right? Because that, that always is informative, but instead of what has most surprised you in, in cannabis?

Speaker 6: Uh,

Speaker 2: let's do your best lesson, right? Not what has surprised you. Your best lesson. Your moment of. Oh, okay. Okay. I get it. Not like surprise and delight, like almost at a low moment.

Speaker 3: Okay. I got one for you. Here we go. I'm in cannabis and I haven't experienced it in when I was a principal in the, in the, in the other businesses, right? Because, and sadly this sadly enough because it's cannabis and uh, because it wasn't regulated and all that business people took advantage financially. They didn't figure they had to honor their word or uh, with money, if you gave him money was a job and you can't, they know I couldn't go to the police or, or whatever, you know. So we lost some money, right. A trusting, trusting people, w we hard cash, you know. And so that was a lesson in the cannabis that you better make sure you have some lawyers and stuff written out legally. The trust, but verify things talks about. Exactly, exactly. And not with my investors now, this happened way before and I think the, here's what else, I think we're similar in that I want to trust people. I want to love. I want to just. Yeah, no, it's fine. Don't even worry about it. Don't even write it down. We're good. Which we shook hands. Said, that's exactly what this guy told us. This is about a six years ago. He says, uh, I don't believe in yours. I handshake. Yeah. We shook his, gave him 10 or $14,000 and shook his hand. Never saw that guy again, you know, things like that. No, that's, that's it. And that is my

Speaker 2: of go to. I talked to my dad about this all the time that, that, that's, that's how I want to do it, you know, but you can't, you can't do it that way. No. Alright. Alright. So, uh, on the soundtrack we'll get another song for you. It could be the same song you gave me last time about you, whether you remember or not on the soundtrack of your life. One track, one song that's got to be on there.

Speaker 6: Ah,

Speaker 3: to be loved, to be loved. Is that, that kind seventies, eighties song probably goes like a 50 slash 60 million is by Jackie Wilson. Oh, okay. Wait a second. You know why I think it's seventies, eighties, because Eddie Murphy starts singing it in America. I promise to be loved. Yeah, you got to, you got to see Eddie sing it in, in coming to America. Okay. I will. Yeah. That's uh, um, Jackie Wilson's got a beautiful voice, right? Um, I mean, I think one of the best ever. It's like a one in a song. He wrote Angel. Like an angel. Yes. His voice was a man. Just just so, so beautiful, but I love music. I love to dance. I love all kinds of music. I like blues. I like sure. So music and, and that's all my music, right, man? Yeah. This is just a, just, just all kinds. I just love. Hey, uh, you said you're, you're, uh, you still, you've got the investment probably figured out just in case we'll do engage@Canneseconomy.com if you want to kind of tell sue that. Yeah. You know, you'd be interested in investing if whatever happens in false through or whatever. Just so we got some backup money. How about that? Oh, I would love that. I would love that. Taylor. Always a pleasure. Thank you so much. Thank you for thinking of me for this interview. Of course I can't not think of you. Blessings to you.

Speaker 1: And there you have sue Taylor, who doesn't love Sue Taylor? I love sue Taylor. I have love for suit, tailored suit. Tailor is the best. And uh, you know, even a baby boomer at this point in her life can, can learn. Right? So best of luck to her, very much appreciate her time and just who she is and to you. Thanks for listening.

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Cannabis Economy is a real-time history of legal cannabis. We chronicle how personal and industry histories have combined to provide our current reality.