Ep. 366: Hagai Hillman, Breath of Life (Tour)

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Ep. 366: Hagai Hillman, Breath of Life (Tour)

Ep. 366: Hagai Hillman, Breath of Life (Tour)

Hagai Hillman takes us on a tour of the facilities of Breath of life; A pioneering producer of Cannabis Pharmaceuticals: “I think most of the people who are working in the pharmaceutical industry are meeting innovation only in papers that they appear from the R&D segment of the company. Most of them don’t deal with innovation at all. Most of them are dealing with a traditional processing. We are different. We challenge them on a daily basis about how to make things better, how to make things much more consistent, much more valued And people over here are meeting innovation or have to deal with innovation even in the from low skill to high skill.”

Transcript:

Hagai Hillman: My name is Hagai Hillman and I'm the founder of BOL, Breath of Life.

Seth Adler: Breath of Life, why did we choose this? If you're the founder, why did we choose the name?

Hagai Hillman: I recommended and it's double meaning.

Seth Adler: Double meaning?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, I like double meanings.

Seth Adler: Yes, of course, and so Breath of Life because we're a manufacturing facility and we're also an agricultural facility.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, but this is not the reason. Breath of Life it's like in Hebrew when you try to describe it it's inhale of life, which is what you're doing when you inhale a Cannabis active ingredient.

Seth Adler: Yeah. There we go.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Okay.

Hagai Hillman: And also, Breath of Life.

Seth Adler: There we go.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: All right, so that's Breath of Life and you consider yourself a farmer?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, I'm a farmer. I'm the third generation of an agricultural farm. We were established in 1934.

Seth Adler: 1934, what were we growing just to give us a sense of-

Hagai Hillman: We're still growing.

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Hagai Hillman: We're still growing peaches, avocado, flowers, all kinds of vegetables, and turkeys.

Seth Adler: Okay, and turkeys?

Hagai Hillman: And turkeys.

Seth Adler: They grow differently than the other things.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, yeah.

Seth Adler: What ... That's the third generation or the first generation and the second generation. When did Cannabis come into this for you?

Hagai Hillman: About 11 years ago.

Seth Adler: Okay.

Hagai Hillman: We start to deal with Cannabis. In the beginning, we didn't know knew what to do with it. It was ... It's a controversial plant and all the public opinion was against it.

Seth Adler: Of course.

Hagai Hillman: It was a prohibited drug and but we decided to start to grow it and to see what it's all about.

Seth Adler: What was happening in 2008, 2009, roughly 2010, this is essentially when you started, what was ... Was there a decision that was made? Why jump in at that point? If you ... If all the public opinion was against it.

Hagai Hillman: My name is Hagai Hillman and I'm the founder of BOL, Breath of Life.

Seth Adler: Breath of Life, why did we choose this? If you're the founder, why did we choose the name?

Hagai Hillman: I recommended and it's double meaning.

Seth Adler: Double meaning?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, I like double meanings.

Seth Adler: Yes, of course, and so Breath of Life because we're a manufacturing facility and we're also an agricultural facility.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, but this is not the reason. Breath of Life it's like in Hebrew when you try to describe it it's inhale of life, which is what you're doing when you inhale a Cannabis active ingredient.

Seth Adler: Yeah. There we go.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Okay.

Hagai Hillman: And also, Breath of Life.

Seth Adler: There we go.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: All right, so that's Breath of Life and you consider yourself a farmer?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, I'm a farmer. I'm the third generation of an agricultural farm. We were established in 1934.

Seth Adler: 1934, what were we growing just to give us a sense of-

Hagai Hillman: We're still growing.

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Hagai Hillman: We're still growing peaches, avocado, flowers, all kinds of vegetables, and turkeys.

Seth Adler: Okay, and turkeys?

Hagai Hillman: And turkeys.

Seth Adler: They grow differently than the other things.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, yeah.

Seth Adler: What ... That's the third generation or the first generation and the second generation. When did Cannabis come into this for you?

Hagai Hillman: About 11 years ago.

Seth Adler: Okay.

Hagai Hillman: We start to deal with Cannabis. In the beginning, we didn't know knew what to do with it. It was ... It's a controversial plant and all the public opinion was against it.

Seth Adler: Of course.

Hagai Hillman: It was a prohibited drug and but we decided to start to grow it and to see what it's all about.

Seth Adler: What was happening in 2008, 2009, roughly 2010, this is essentially when you started, what was ... Was there a decision that was made? Why jump in at that point? If you ... If all the public opinion was against it.

Hagai Hillman: We were all the time attracted by a boutique growth. We are curious people-

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Hagai Hillman: And we want to investigate new opportunities in agricultural and-

Seth Adler: Was it illegal at the time?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah. We done it with permission from Health Ministry. Actually-

Seth Adler: You came to them or they came to you?

Hagai Hillman: It was they send a scouter actually to find-

Seth Adler: Partners?

Hagai Hillman: People who are coming from traditional agricultural to put some advance protocols into the growth of this plant because until that time, all the growers what we coming from the other side of the boat of-

Seth Adler: Right, in the shadows so to speak.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, from the shadows-

Seth Adler: There we go.

Hagai Hillman: And closet, closet-

Seth Adler: In the closet?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Nice, yeah.

Hagai Hillman: And they tried to improve the quality of the production.

Seth Adler: What do you think it was, and I know that I'm asking only one person one simple farmer's opinion, what do you think it was that changed for them, the Health Ministry, when they said maybe we should be looking into this?

Hagai Hillman: The problem was that it wasn't consistent supply of Cannabis for medical purpose for the patient in that time. This is the reason why they looking for other producers and they thought that if they approached to traditional farming they will find what they're looking for, which is a consistent supply-

Seth Adler: All right.

Hagai Hillman: And this was the reason why they came to me and in the beginning I didn't want to grow

Seth Adler: Because why?

Hagai Hillman: Because it's a drug.

Seth Adler: Because I see, you didn't understand.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, but as a volunteer in the police, I asked them what their opinion about it-

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Hagai Hillman: And they strongly support it-

Seth Adler: Oh.

Hagai Hillman: And then I talked to the Health Ministry-

Seth Adler: Well, this is because Raphael Mechoulam had just come to the police department asking them for their Cannabis so many times.

Hagai Hillman: No, it was many years before that.

Seth Adler: I'm kidding of course.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, but they thought that it wasn't supposed to be such an attractive place to criminals as I thought it might be-

Seth Adler: I see. I see.

Hagai Hillman: And I start to grow and I think after a very short period of time, I realized that something is different in this plant. There is a very strong therapeutical effect. It was in one instructor instruction that I'd been in Parkinson's some patient and I saw after 30 seconds it stopped shaking and I thought to myself-

Seth Adler: Epilepsy?

Hagai Hillman: No, no, Parkinson's.

Seth Adler: Oh, Parkinson's?

Hagai Hillman: Parkinson's, yeah.

Seth Adler: Yeah. Okay, and you saw this with your own eyes?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah because until that I thought-

Seth Adler: Who knows?

Hagai Hillman: It's stories.

Seth Adler: Right, yeah.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, and when I saw it with my own eyes, this was the point when I start to move to pharmaceutical. All the mentors that I recruited to the company was people who's coming from the pharmaceutical industry-

Seth Adler: I see.

Hagai Hillman: And I start to push it to the point, like yesterday it was the first day-

Seth Adler: That it was delivered through the-

Hagai Hillman: Through the pharmacies.

Seth Adler: There we go.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: And so for you, this is a big day because this is your plant essentially.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah. When I told to my friends six years ago-

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Hagai Hillman: This is gonna be in the-

Seth Adler: Pharmacy.

Hagai Hillman: Pharmacies, they was-

Seth Adler: They think you're crazy?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, yeah.

Seth Adler: Right.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: And now, we have that and if it began truly with you kind of seeing that patient, that Parkinson's patient, you seeing the effect of Cannabis with your own eyes, in essence it's a miracle when you see something like that-

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: And so, how could you not then push all of your resources into this, right?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, but you know that there is a ... It was a barrier and I thought to myself, what is the reason why all the doctors doesn't give patients Cannabis for medial purpose?

Seth Adler: They're not trained to.

Hagai Hillman: No, this is not the only reason.

Seth Adler: Okay. Besides that?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah. Smoking is not so healthy-

Seth Adler: Yes, of course.

Hagai Hillman: And-

Seth Adler: Or the act of smoking, yeah.

Hagai Hillman: To supply a product which is never examined-

Seth Adler: In a lab.

Hagai Hillman: In a clinical lab, yeah-

Seth Adler: Right.

Hagai Hillman: They don't know how to treat with it.

Seth Adler: How could I possibly be treating with this, it looks like a cigarette?

Hagai Hillman: And I think seven years ago when I thought, I started thinking, what is the value? What is stopping me to bring this to the next level?

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Hagai Hillman: I suddenly make a [inaudible 00:07:31] to in knowing

Seth Adler: Anoint?

Hagai Hillman: The opiate industry.

Seth Adler: Okay.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, and I realized that you can never see people in the street and smoking Opium or making themselves poppy-seed shake for dinner.

Seth Adler: Right.

Hagai Hillman: Everything it's medicine-

Seth Adler: Right.

Hagai Hillman: And this was the exact moment when I start to recruit a much more advance pharmaceutical people-

Seth Adler: When you went-

Hagai Hillman: To the company-

Seth Adler: Yes.

Hagai Hillman: To push this industry in the way to become a drug.

Seth Adler: When you went from being a farmer to being a manufacturer?

Hagai Hillman: Yes.

Seth Adler: And now you're gonna take us through the manufacturing facility, yes?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Okay.

Hagai Hillman: Definitely.

Seth Adler: And so, here we go.

Hagai Hillman: Val.

Seth Adler: And so, this, again, is smelling familiar as far as the Cannabis is concerned. It's looking familiar as far as ceiling height. How high are the ceilings as we walk through?

Speaker 4: Okay, so this is you see it's a comparing to the first that we're in-

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Speaker 4: It's a little bit larger and larger scale. You see here the clean rooms, and although this is the machine that a-

Hagai Hillman: Packing 10 grams bags. 10 gram Cannabis bags. This machine does capacity of 500 kilo a day and we have spare space for another machine, so this room is designed for one ton a day.

Seth Adler: A ton a day?

Speaker 4: One ton a day, yes.

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Speaker 4: And this, you see the larger scale and I told you, this is ... we were in the smaller one, now we're in the intermediate factory, and the larger one is just a building these days.

Seth Adler: Okay.

Speaker 4: Let's pass. Because of the lack of time, we're not go into the clean rooms because we have to dress-

Seth Adler: Yes, yes.

Speaker 4: You remember like-

Seth Adler: And we've already done that on this tour, right?

Speaker 4: Yes, we're-

Seth Adler: Which is part of another conversation.

Speaker 4: But you see here, everything is clean rooms in columns and this is the room they're now producing also the extracts.

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Speaker 4: The extracts of the Cannabis. You see the same machine, but here it's a larger scales machine.

Seth Adler: Right.

Speaker 4: You see that? You can take a photo if you like-

Seth Adler: Right.

Speaker 4: And all the same protocols you see, the same protocols. All the protocols are according to the IMCG AMP, what is needed to be able to according to GMP protocols, like in any other pharmaceutical industry.

Seth Adler: Yeah. It's the same exact paperwork just like it's the same exact tag on a plant from seed to sale in the United States, but better.

Speaker 4: Yeah. Right, of course because first it's in Hebrew. Okay. Let's go into the safe where they held the products. You see.

Seth Adler: Here we go.

Speaker 4: You see this is a little bit larger scale safe then we saw.

Seth Adler: It's about four or five times the size by my rough calculation. Yeah, so we don't know the code?

Hagai Hillman: Don't know the code. I don't authorize to go in here.

Seth Adler: Because-

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Speaker 4: Only the pharmacist. We will go now to the where the-

Hagai Hillman: According to GMP people protocol, only pharmacy can allowed to go in.

Seth Adler: There we go.

Hagai Hillman: I don't have authorization.

Seth Adler: Which just because you're the boss, doesn't mean that you run the place, right?

Hagai Hillman: Not really. It's ... Everything over here, it's professional stuff.

Seth Adler: That's it.

Hagai Hillman: Professional qualified stuff.

Seth Adler: That's it.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, but in the meantime, I want this to be known which was the first employee that I recruited after I saw-

Seth Adler: The possibilities, the Parkinson's.

Hagai Hillman: The Parkinson's issue, yeah.

Seth Adler: Okay, perfect.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: And how did he come to you or how did you come to him?

Speaker 5: Well, I saw it in the paper and I was really interested in both agriculture and chemistry, so I saw the combination and I saw and met that guy and addressed his history.

Seth Adler: Where were you coming from? Where were you employed?

Speaker 5: I was employed in Teva for two years. I was a manager for one of their production facilities and then I came on. I was an entrepreneur for a while, and then I saw the ad, and the rest is history.

Seth Adler: How different is this to what you were doing at Teva?

Speaker 5: It's much more complex in terms of keeping the [inaudible 00:11:35] because we are dealing with a material that is not always the same, so you've got to be really sensitive and really think through the process from start to finish. There's nothing in Teva. You know you're gonna get 99% all the time. You have to have some sort of flexibility sort of.

Seth Adler: Okay. That brings to mind the product that we're working with, which is Cannabis, and you as a scientist has to have flexibility. What does that do to your scientific mind? It's confusing, I would imagine.

Speaker 5: No, no, no, saying that scientist don't have flexibility in the mind is wrong conception, but you have to be one side scientist, on the other side you have to be a little bit entrepreneurial. On the first side, you have to fuel production.

Seth Adler: There we go. When you start developing a product you've got to think about the end. I mean, if it will be a great product, but I'll never be able to regulate it, there's no way I'm gonna start even doing the project. So, when you, because he came to you and you have a specific talent that he didn't have, simple farmer is how describes himself. You obviously have pharmaceutical experience, when you recruit people, what are you looking for? You can't simply be somebody that used to work at a pharmaceutical company. You have to have these different skill sets, entrepreneurial, product management.

Speaker 5: It's different because sometimes I recruit people to work on analytical lab. Sometimes I recruit people for R&D. Sometimes I recruit people for production.

Seth Adler: How is the recruitment different here then it would be at Teva is my point?

Speaker 5: First of all-

Seth Adler: And I'm only saying Teva because that's where you worked.

Speaker 5: First of all, when you recruit somebody here it takes a long time. You got to get it to the Health Ministry first, you have to get it to police, you've got to be sure, and when somebody gets in he gets into a whole new world, and there's a lot of secrets. You have a little bit of this, you have a little bit of that. It's not like in Teva, you're there for years and years doing the same thing. Everything here is new.

Seth Adler: Is new.

Speaker 5: So the most important thing for me is that the people will be very credible and that will be. If I'm looking for somebody for manufacturing, you've got to be very eager to work. If I'm looking for someone for development, you've gotta have an open mind. Okay, it's like it's a new field.

Seth Adler: It's brand new.

Speaker 5: It can bring something from the Tahini industry, mix it with Cannabis, bam, you've got something going on.

Seth Adler: Right.

Speaker 5: Okay?

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Speaker 5: So that's-

Seth Adler: That's the difference.

Speaker 5: That's what I'm looking for.

Seth Adler: Yeah, it's amazing because you would think that if you work at a large pharmaceutical company, you'll fit in just fine, but it's more than that is what you're saying?

Speaker 5: No, yeah, I tried. I didn't fit just fine in the large pharmaceutical industries.

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Speaker 5: Yes, I always wanted to go a little bit further.

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Speaker 5: A little bit further. Now, when this industry came in, it suddenly we had a small company, she's got goals, she's got new values, it's like a family.

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Speaker 5: People know each other, and it gives you like this extra boost. You know you want to make everybody, it's like a family here.

Seth Adler: Excellent.

Speaker 5: That's what makes us different.

Seth Adler: Excellent. Thank you so much for your time. I think we've gotta ... We're following the lead here, so we're making our way over.

Speaker 5: [inaudible 00:14:36].

Seth Adler: Toda, which of course is thank you in Hebrew as I've learned, and now we're making our way ...

Speaker 4: To the agricultural plot.

Seth Adler: Okay, and this the 100 meters that we were speaking about, right?

Speaker 4: 100 Hectares.

Seth Adler: 100 Hectares?

Hagai Hillman: It's 10 hectares.

Seth Adler: No, no, from here to there-

Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.

Seth Adler: Is 100 meters.

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Hagai Hillman: Only over the creek.

Seth Adler: Over the creek, which is ... and now, I'm seeing there literally is a creek.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: When you hear him share with you how he thinks about this organization, of course you knew that before you heard him say it into these microphones, but what are your thoughts on the fact that you have something that is more complex than the pharmaceutical companies you're used to dealing with? That is ... That requires a different mindset than a traditional industry has in their everyday workers so to speak, what does that make you think?

Hagai Hillman: You know, after 11 years in this industry, the only thing that I know is that I don't know enough.

Seth Adler: Of course.

Hagai Hillman: And all the challenges that we are meeting it's a new challenges. Sometimes we're feeling like we are paving the way, paving the road to become a pharmaceutical company-

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Hagai Hillman: And most of the people that we hire over there, over here those people will know how to integrate innovation into traditional processing ways.

Seth Adler: There we go.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Okay. Now, what might we say, because you've got the manufacturing facility and we're on our way to the agricultural facility, if a traditional pharmaceutical person is listening to this and they said to you, well, of course, we've got innovation, how is it different do you think?

Hagai Hillman: I think most of the people who are working in the pharmaceutical industry are meeting innovation only in papers that they appear from the R&D segment of the company.

Seth Adler: Okay.

Hagai Hillman: Most of them doesn't deal with innovation at all. Most of them are dealing with a traditional processing.

Seth Adler: I see.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, and there is-

Seth Adler: So every employee is touched by innovation here?

Hagai Hillman: Yes, we are different. We challenge them on a daily basis about how to make things better, how to make things much more consistent, much more valued-

Seth Adler: Yes.

Hagai Hillman: And people over here are meeting innovation or have to deal with innovation even in the from low skill to high skill.

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Hagai Hillman: All the value chain.

Seth Adler: Every single person-

Hagai Hillman: Yes.

Seth Adler: As opposed to simply an R&D department?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Okay. Now, I can see. Now, how much canopy do we have here because now I can see the greenhouses as we are getting closer?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: What canopy do you have?

Hagai Hillman: It's quite big.

Seth Adler: Yeah, how much? How many Hectares?

Hagai Hillman: We are ... We ... The agricultural plot-

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Hagai Hillman: It's about 10 Hectares.

Seth Adler: 10 Hectares.

Hagai Hillman: We have approximately now a capacity of 30 ton a year.

Seth Adler: 30 ton a year?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Okay.

Hagai Hillman: And we are still improving-

Seth Adler: You're gonna have to push that up if you've got a ton a day coming through the other room, right?

Hagai Hillman: No, we are planning ... We are open source. Like, the difference between Apple and Android. We are Android of the Cannabis industry.

Seth Adler: Yes, I got it.

Hagai Hillman: We want to work with other agricultural producers and observe their material over here in order to put them into this industry.

Seth Adler: I see, so you have it, they don't need to. They can just grow if they would like to and you'll process it?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: There we go.

Hagai Hillman: We'll take it all.

Seth Adler: There we go.

Hagai Hillman: We'll take it all.

Seth Adler: All right, so we're going in here?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, over here, you can see now it's in the middle of harvesting.

Seth Adler: Sure.

Hagai Hillman: This greenhouse.

Seth Adler: Yup, and we've got beautiful plants that are in doors and outdoors all at the same time. Folks know about greenhouses.

Hagai Hillman: In Israel, we don't call greenhouses indoor. It's outdoor, but it's a controlled environment.

Seth Adler: I understand. Controlled environment.

Hagai Hillman: Yes, yeah.

Seth Adler: Exactly.

Hagai Hillman: Kind of a controlled environment, it's in the middle of harvesting. As you can see, we harvest the whole plant-

Seth Adler: Yup.

Hagai Hillman: And then, sterilize it, making sterilization for the greenhouses and prepare it for the next batch.

Seth Adler: Okay.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: And so, we can go to each of these kind of one-off greenhouses-

Hagai Hillman: But we've already said it's the same.

Seth Adler: It's 10 Hectares. It's all the same.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, it's the same, but-

Seth Adler: Are you on a rolling harvest? Are you on a rolling harvest-

Hagai Hillman: Yes.

Seth Adler: Understanding that you're outdoors?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: And understanding that you're in Israel?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: So, you have no climate issues whatsoever? You can grow year round?

Hagai Hillman: No, we have climate issues, but we are planning, playing with the climate and-

Seth Adler: You're playing with that right now?

Hagai Hillman: With the light and the daylight-

Seth Adler: Yes, of course.

Hagai Hillman: And we can create like a factory sequence all over there.

Seth Adler: Because you're in Israel with this climate, do you have any ... Is there any month that you can't grown Cannabis? Can you grow year round?

Hagai Hillman: No, no, we can grow, yeah, year round.

Seth Adler: Excellent.

Hagai Hillman: And-

Seth Adler: How does it-

Hagai Hillman: All this farm planning as a in high standard. Everything gets monitored, everything ... It's under the ground.

Seth Adler: There we go.

Hagai Hillman: All the infrastructure is under the ground, so we are ... It's a ground's facility with meeting the demand of the IMCG amp.

Seth Adler: There we go. Of course, and so just to get back to your farmer roots though, talk about climate in Israel versus other parts of the world. What do you appreciate about the Israelii climate in growing Cannabis versus where else I can grow it?

Hagai Hillman: I can compare only for the most Northern atmosphere countries, like Canada for example-

Seth Adler: Fine, go.

Hagai Hillman: Or Northern Europe-

Seth Adler: Yes, yes.

Hagai Hillman: That are forced to grow Cannabis in door, and we learned that you can never stimulate the sun spectrum in artificial light, which means that even if you have advanced lighting facilities, you can't create the whole active ingredients in the way that the sun make them to appear in a natural daylight-

Seth Adler: Right.

Hagai Hillman: And so, we have sun. We have plenty of sun. No clouds at all.

Seth Adler: And a little bit of wind as everybody can hear.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Okay.

Hagai Hillman: Wind is very good, you know? It circulates there inside the greenhouse. It's good for us.

Seth Adler: It's a natural AC, so to speak, right?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah. And it's quite hot over here, which makes the plant to run very, very fast and finish the cycle quite quick.

Seth Adler: Speaking of finishing the cycle, how many cycles have we been through in all 10 hectares so far?

Hagai Hillman: It's about four cycles a year.

Seth Adler: Only four cycles?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, a year.

Seth Adler: How many in Cannabis have we done?

Hagai Hillman: Too many. We have many-

Seth Adler: How many years?

Hagai Hillman: This farm, it's quite new.

Seth Adler: That's what I'm asking-

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: So how many, on this farm, how many cycles have you been through?

Hagai Hillman: Now, we are finishing the second one.

Seth Adler: The second cycle?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: So, again, it's really just the beginning even though you've been doing this for 11 years.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, but we've done it in a different facility-

Seth Adler: Yes.

Hagai Hillman: And we've done over there many, many cycles.

Seth Adler: Without the GAP though?

Hagai Hillman: Without the GAP, but ... No, without IMC GAP.

Seth Adler: There we go.

Hagai Hillman: We had different GPA where we could-

Seth Adler: The checklist?

Hagai Hillman: No, it's not the checklist. It's a global GAP, which is based on guidelines which issued by the Dutch Ministry regarding to-

Seth Adler: But I spoke to Raphe at IQC, and he explained that this was a checklist versus what you have now, which is much more comprehensive.

Hagai Hillman: Yes, yes, of course, but Raphe was the first guy who certified us as a global GAP producer and we've done it many, many years before it was a demand.

Seth Adler: There we go.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: And we've got the demand.

Hagai Hillman: We taught in our vision that we have to be on the first class every single corner that we meet.

Seth Adler: Yes.

Hagai Hillman: And for that reason, we decided to meet all the certification that we want to meet and it was many, many years ago.

Seth Adler: Yeah, why did you decide that though?

Hagai Hillman: Because after I-

Seth Adler: In other words, it's obvious in retrospect.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, it's much more expensive, definitely.

Seth Adler: Of course.

Hagai Hillman: But in the minute that I decided that we have to go directly to the pharmaceutical industry, every single junction that I've met, I have choose rather to take for the pharmaceutical or go for-

Seth Adler: Whatever.

Speaker 6: Recreational.

Hagai Hillman: Recreational.

Speaker 6: It's for the neighborhood.

Seth Adler: I understand. I understand.

Hagai Hillman: And we took all the junction.

Seth Adler: At the time?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Understood.

Hagai Hillman: It's metaphorical philosophy.

Seth Adler: Yes, of course.

Hagai Hillman: This is the first harvest facility.

Seth Adler: Okay. Breaking down the plants of course.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Now, as far as the fiber is concerned, has anyone started the conversation on what we can do with all of this extra fiber?

Hagai Hillman: No, contamination because it's not a ham. Ham, you have a very long still, so you can do something with it-

Seth Adler: Understood.

Hagai Hillman: With Cannabis, they're very short stems and we don't want to use them.

Seth Adler: There's still a little bit of fiber at least and-

Hagai Hillman: It's not enough to become a commercial-

Seth Adler: Fair enough, and the hemp conversation has not begun here.

Hagai Hillman: There is now a start a test in the agricultural ministry to see what is hemp all about, but it's a premature issue.

Seth Adler: It's another thing.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Right. Okay. And what is this? Is this the last place now?

Hagai Hillman: No, this is a refrigerator, which is stocking the plant after coming from the field after harvesting for a few hours-

Seth Adler: Until we break it down.

Hagai Hillman: Until it has space to go inside to post harvest.

Seth Adler: Excellent, so what else are we gonna see here?

Hagai Hillman: That's it. That's it.

Seth Adler: All right. Amazing.

Hagai Hillman: As you see, it's a factory that's running along the whole year and processing and producing Cannabis for medical purpose and it's driven.

Speaker 4: Seth, Seth?

Seth Adler: As far as ... Yeah, wait, hold on.

Speaker 4: Just the interesting thing is the scale. You see, all these greenhouses, in this isle and in this isle-

Seth Adler: 10 hectares.

Speaker 4: It's a little bit more because they have also the possibility to open there, you see?

Seth Adler: Oh, sure.

Speaker 4: Another greenhouse. You see the space there?

Seth Adler: Yeah, the empty space.

Speaker 4: And everything is under the best GAP conditions. Also, after irrigation, all the, we call it, lower things that you collect from the bottom, everything is going through-

Hagai Hillman: The drainage. All the drainage.

Seth Adler: Underground drainage, yeah.

Speaker 4: The drainage and everything is-

Hagai Hillman: Recycled.

Speaker 4: Recycled into things that you can spread in the regular fields.

Seth Adler: There we go. Unbelievable. We will come back to you. When do you expect to be able to process ... Now, you could just process it today if you had the product, but when do you expect the demand, and I know that there's a question as far as export is concerned, but how soon would you be able to turn on if you will the one ton a day kind of processing?

Hagai Hillman: We already started. We already started to plan-

Seth Adler: So you can already do that?

Hagai Hillman: To prepare ourselves to this demand.

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Speaker 4: We will go into the storage of where they make the hydration, you will be able to understand this scale.

Seth Adler: There we go. One ton a day. I understand the scale.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: It's remarkable and this is just one company. All right my friends, so we're now gonna make our way back-

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, but this is the only company in Israel that has vertical integration, so we know how to implement-

Seth Adler: Oh, you're the only one with vertical?

Hagai Hillman: Yes.

Seth Adler: I didn't know that.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah, and now we are preparing ourselves to implement the growing protocols to the farmers that we are want to work with them.

Seth Adler: Sure.

Hagai Hillman: And I think we have the most knowledge that exists in Israel about the whole value chain of the Cannabis. It's in this company.

Seth Adler: Right, and because you're bringing three generations of farmer mindset to the Cannabis industry where you've got over a decade of experience.

Hagai Hillman: Yes.

Seth Adler: I can't thank you enough for your time and for as much walking as we've done and we will check in with you down the line. I've got three final questions for you. Do you want me to tell you what they are and then I'll ask them in order?

Hagai Hillman: Okay. Yeah.

Seth Adler: They are, what has most surprised you in Cannabis? What has most surprised you in life? And on, the soundtrack of your life, one track one song, that's gotta be on there? We'll get to that though. What's most surprised you in Cannabis knowing that you understand agriculture before you got in?

Hagai Hillman: I knew medical plans before that and what is most surprised me in Cannabis was the therapeutical effect. The instant therapeutical effect that you can see that something happened to the person in front of you in half a minute.

Seth Adler: Yeah, the Parkinson's thing really did it.

Hagai Hillman: It's not only Parkinson's. It's-

Seth Adler: No, no, but I'm saying that one moment.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Yeah. What's most surprised you in life?

Hagai Hillman: It's a difficult question.

Seth Adler: Yeah, it's the most difficult question, I'd like to think.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah. I think fatherhood.

Seth Adler: Which?

Hagai Hillman: Fatherhood.

Seth Adler: No, fatherhood?

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Speaker 4: That's like mine.

Seth Adler: Just like you said, that's right.

Hagai Hillman: I think because its opened doors in a room in your heart that you never imagined that existed.

Seth Adler: There we go.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: All right. Now, easy question. On the soundtrack of your life, one track, one song, that's gotta be on there? Is it maybe Maggie's Farm by Bob Dylan since you're a farmer?

Hagai Hillman: No, no, not really.

Seth Adler: Because you still want to work on Maggie's farm.

Hagai Hillman: I have to think about it.

Seth Adler: All right, so you'll think about it and we'll come back to you.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: Thank you very much, my friend.

Hagai Hillman: I will surprise you, definitely, with that one.

Seth Adler: Yeah.

Hagai Hillman: With that one.

Seth Adler: You'll email me.

Hagai Hillman: Yeah.

Seth Adler: All right. And there you have a tour of Breath of Life. Very much appreciate your time. Very much appreciate their time. Stay tuned.

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